topic Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor in Home Automation

device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Sat, 17 Jun 2023 08:21:35 GMT

I'd like to test some automations triggered by camera motion detection. I see in the example there's a starter type of

- starters:
  - type: device.state.MotionDetection
    device: sensor - Living Room
    state: motionDetectionEventInProgress
    is: true

but this option is missing for me at present - it's not in the available list of types in typeahead, and if I manually add it, the editor doesn't understand it's a type. Any idea why this option is missing?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

sky_razor89 — Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:44:17 GMT

I am not an expert but probably your device does not support this feature with google automation.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Sat, 17 Jun 2023 11:58:24 GMT

Could be I guess, but the camera's are Google Nests of various types, so you'd kinda hope they'd be supported, and it would seem odd to not even see the type ahead option on the starter type - that would mean the editor would have to check all of the devices for all the supported actions all the time, which seems like a lot of effort. Do you see that starter type per chance?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Prafulla — Sat, 17 Jun 2023 14:56:17 GMT

Hi @pete-S - Camera events as trigger are coming soon to the script editor (as we shared in our announcement post). We will update this community when they are available.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Sat, 17 Jun 2023 15:02:32 GMT

Thanks @Prafulla That would explain it, and I'd missed the coming soon bit. I was confused because you've already included the camera motion event triggers as examples.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 03:24:50 GMT

I would also like to trigger actions based on motion detection.

Is there a timeline for this feature to be added? Also, is there a workaround which can be used in the meantime?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:59:20 GMT

The only workaround I found is to use HomeAssistant with the Nest integration rather than Google Home at all. Bizarre that I can do motion detection for Nest cameras with a third party app, but not with Google. I wanted to use HA for something else anyway, but it's complex to setup. The only downside now is that the motion trigger takes about 5 seconds to get from Google to HA for some reason, which isn't ideal to turn on the lights when someone comes down the drive, but it's the best I can find for now umtil Google sort this out.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Alfred2 — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:53:55 GMT

Thanks for sharing, i read that this used to work using IFTTT with the Neat app but google broke the API when transferring the service to Google Home. IFTTT recommends to keep using the Neat app and avoid transferring over. Seems strange to see that this is going backwards…

I’ll look into the HA workaround then.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 00:29:20 GMT

Would you be able to share a date for this implementation?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 00:34:30 GMT

I can confirm that this is possible through Home assistant using the Camera’s person detection event. It’s a bit convoluted to set up and requires to pay $5 to set up the developer account to access the API but it works.

It’s clearly possible to implement so it’s really disappointing to see that it can’t be done using google’s automation script!

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 23:55:19 GMT

I see that on the page released today, it says that it’s possible to turn on the garage lights when camera motion is detected. This is precisely what we are trying to do here. Could you please explain how this is achieved?

https://home.google.com/intl/en_au/the-latest/

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:16:39 GMT

I think this is just them announcing the new Home app in Australia - complete with announced but not available features. I actually had the starter for camera motion appear in my home app back in mid May, but it didn't work and when I asked support they told me it wasn't supposed to be there yet, and took it out again. So, I guess we're supposed to be happy that it's coming at some point :-(. @Prafulla , any more news on release for automation script and home app support for motion triggers, since you're continuing to announce them as if they're available now.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:45:17 GMT

Yeah, this looks like false advertising to me! Unless they are arguing that it can be done as long as customers use Home Assistant…

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:56:52 GMT

Well, this starter type just doesn't exist in the Home App yet, unless they've released it in Aus only I guess.

But, they cover themselves with their catchall

3. Home automations require additional enrolment and setup, and depend on working Internet, Wi-Fi and service availability from Google and third parties that manufacture devices included in the automations.

So, they've announced it, but it doesn't actually mean the service is available...

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:32:52 GMT

That’s interesting, I just checked on the App Store to make sure I was using the latest version and noticed the following preview referring to upcoming updates and showing motion activated starter:

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:05:29 GMT

I just noticed that the same link is on the broad home.google,com site at Introducing the redesigned Google Home | Google Home. I'm on the public preview, version is 3.2.1.7, but nothing yet. Maybe it means it's coming soon, but it's really poor that they're plugging something which doesn't exist.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:08:35 GMT

It’s been a while since Google said this feature was about to get released. Does anyone know if it have been released yet?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:09:52 GMT

@Prafulla It’s been nearly 2 months now. Is this available yet?

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

pete-S — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:15:25 GMT

Nope. A couple of days ago, I saw another "it's coming soon" on one of the other threads. It's appearing somewhat - now you can add the motiondetector starter type and choose a new google cam (not older nest ones), but if you try and save it, you get an error that the camera doesn't support that starter. So, it's in process but not there yet.

Re: device.state.MotionDetection starter type: is missing in script editor

Batwam — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:49:45 GMT

@Prafulla is this going to take much longer? still not supported!