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    <title>topic Air Con device state onoff in Home Automation</title>
    <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Home-Automation/Air-Con-device-state-onoff/m-p/804408#M63990</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;So how do you turn an AC off without being able to use OnOff.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a cooling only, "full state" remote controlled mini split.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm controlling it through a Broadlink RM4 Pro linked to Google Home.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a Nest Pro Thermostat connected to my HVAC existing system.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am trying to turn the mini split on, in tandem, with the rest of the AC. The device type added to Google home from the broadlink app is an Air Conditioner with two states, on off.&amp;nbsp; Yet I'm not allowed to use on off in automations for this type of device "for safety"? The guardrails are really getting out of control, Gemini is unusable other than to make phone calls or send texts. It's why I spent a pretty penny on 192gb vram and trained my own LLM and VLM&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm trying to write an automation that goes a little like this:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;IF thermostat is cooling and minisplit is off then&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Minisplit on&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;Else If Thermostat is not cooling and minisplit is on Then&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Minisplit off&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;End if&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the on logic I thought should work&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;- starters:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;- type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;BR /&gt;device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;BR /&gt;state: thermostatTemperatureAmbient&lt;BR /&gt;greaterThan: 72&lt;BR /&gt;condition:&lt;BR /&gt;all:&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;BR /&gt;device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;BR /&gt;state: activeThermostatMode&lt;BR /&gt;is: cooling&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.state.OnOff&lt;BR /&gt;device: Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;BR /&gt;state: on&lt;BR /&gt;is: false # Only run if AC is currently OFF&lt;BR /&gt;actions:&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.command.OnOff&lt;BR /&gt;on: true&lt;BR /&gt;devices:&lt;BR /&gt;- Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Off logic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; - starters:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; state: thermostatTemperatureAmbient&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; lessThan: 71&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; condition:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; type: device.state.OnOff&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; device: Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; state: on&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; is: true # Only run if AC is currently ON&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; actions:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - type: device.command.OnOff&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; on: false&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; devices:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - Air condition&lt;SPAN&gt;er - Penthouse&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Any help circumnavigating the guard rails would be appreciated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 22:15:31 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>FatherOfSkynet</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-05-11T22:15:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Air Con device state onoff</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Home-Automation/Air-Con-device-state-onoff/m-p/804408#M63990</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;So how do you turn an AC off without being able to use OnOff.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a cooling only, "full state" remote controlled mini split.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm controlling it through a Broadlink RM4 Pro linked to Google Home.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a Nest Pro Thermostat connected to my HVAC existing system.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am trying to turn the mini split on, in tandem, with the rest of the AC. The device type added to Google home from the broadlink app is an Air Conditioner with two states, on off.&amp;nbsp; Yet I'm not allowed to use on off in automations for this type of device "for safety"? The guardrails are really getting out of control, Gemini is unusable other than to make phone calls or send texts. It's why I spent a pretty penny on 192gb vram and trained my own LLM and VLM&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm trying to write an automation that goes a little like this:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;IF thermostat is cooling and minisplit is off then&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Minisplit on&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;Else If Thermostat is not cooling and minisplit is on Then&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Minisplit off&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;End if&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the on logic I thought should work&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;- starters:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;- type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;BR /&gt;device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;BR /&gt;state: thermostatTemperatureAmbient&lt;BR /&gt;greaterThan: 72&lt;BR /&gt;condition:&lt;BR /&gt;all:&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;BR /&gt;device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;BR /&gt;state: activeThermostatMode&lt;BR /&gt;is: cooling&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.state.OnOff&lt;BR /&gt;device: Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;BR /&gt;state: on&lt;BR /&gt;is: false # Only run if AC is currently OFF&lt;BR /&gt;actions:&lt;BR /&gt;- type: device.command.OnOff&lt;BR /&gt;on: true&lt;BR /&gt;devices:&lt;BR /&gt;- Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Off logic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; - starters:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - type: device.state.TemperatureSetting&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; device: Entryway - Entryway&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; state: thermostatTemperatureAmbient&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; lessThan: 71&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; condition:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; type: device.state.OnOff&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; device: Air conditioner - Penthouse&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; state: on&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; is: true # Only run if AC is currently ON&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; actions:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - type: device.command.OnOff&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; on: false&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; devices:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; - Air condition&lt;SPAN&gt;er - Penthouse&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Any help circumnavigating the guard rails would be appreciated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 22:15:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Home-Automation/Air-Con-device-state-onoff/m-p/804408#M63990</guid>
      <dc:creator>FatherOfSkynet</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-11T22:15:31Z</dc:date>
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