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    <title>topic Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years in Nest Thermostats</title>
    <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/201418#M40331</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I have had this same low battery issue for months.&amp;nbsp; I have a 4 wire setup with no c-wire.&amp;nbsp; I also have a separate AC system and a forced hot water oil burner system.&amp;nbsp; I spent a lot of time debugging this issue, which seemed to start to occur after a May 2022 firmware update in my case.&amp;nbsp; I have had my Nest Gen3 for almost 2 years, with no issues until May.&amp;nbsp; Then this low battery issue started popping up.&amp;nbsp; I noticed that there was a firmware update a week before all my issues started.&amp;nbsp; I started charging it using USB to get the battery up to 3.8V to remove the low battery issue and that would only last for a few days before the low battery issue came back.&amp;nbsp; I fought with Google support, trying to get a replacement up to the last week before my warranty ran out and they kept blaming my AC unit (which was serviced and nothing was wrong with that.. just Google excuses).&amp;nbsp; So, being an electrical engineer, I started debugging this issue myself.&amp;nbsp; Here is what I found over a couple of months worth of fiddling.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; I stared charging with USB and figuring out how long it would take for the low battery voltage warning to come up.&amp;nbsp; It would take on the order of 1 to 3 days to come back after a USB charge.&amp;nbsp; The issue would start as a low battery warning and eventually it would shut down the network connection, as many have described.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. I did these experiments for a few weeks and it was a consistent result of a low battery warning.&amp;nbsp; I could monitor the technical info and look at the voltage levels and it would go from 3.8V after the USB charge.. down to 3.5V after a day or 2.&amp;nbsp; So, obviously the recharge was not keeping up with the load on the battery.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. I started shutting features off.&amp;nbsp; I methodically started picking features to disable to see if that would change the behavior.&amp;nbsp; After many iterations, the feature that seems to cause the issue is auto schedule.&amp;nbsp; I tried many different options.&amp;nbsp; When I shut off auto schedule on the Nest app from my phone app, the nest battery level actually went from 3.5V to 3.8V over the course of a couple of days.&amp;nbsp; When I first made the change to the auto schedule, the nest would not illuminate if I was close to the unit (the low battery indication was flagged)&amp;nbsp; The unit now seems to have charged itself back to the full 3.8v with no interaction besides shutting of their algorithm for figuring out how to optimize the settings.&amp;nbsp; Everything seems to be back to the way it was when I installed it years ago (well, other than shutting off their AI on optimizing the temp settings over the day).&amp;nbsp; I then went and reset the temp settings/times manually using the phone app, since the automation is shut off.&amp;nbsp; Now everything is working fine.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So, in my case, it seems that the Nest automation is taking up too much power and killing the battery.&amp;nbsp; I can still use the network to access the nest and basically it is working as a standard thermostat.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this helps others that are having similar problems.&amp;nbsp; I was at the point where I was going to rip it off the wall and put in a standard thermostat again.&amp;nbsp; Now, I'll stick with the Nest and just use it in this basic mode until maybe someday when Google figures out that they screwed up their software to the point where they kill the battery.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Mike&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 01:14:39 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>mhazen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2022-07-17T01:14:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36546#M7821</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;After about 4 years, my NEST is now going to low battery and disconnecting from WiFi.&amp;nbsp; I can recharge with usb but doesn't seem to be charging on the wall.&amp;nbsp; Nothing has changed in my home.&amp;nbsp; Can these rechargeable batteries be replaced?&amp;nbsp; Could it be something else?&amp;nbsp; It hasn't happen before.&amp;nbsp; Maybe once after a power outage but never again.&amp;nbsp; Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 04:17:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-02T04:17:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36555#M7824</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi !&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I had this problem two-years into my NEST Gen3.&amp;nbsp; I could use external USB to charge it, but it wouldn't hold the charge when mounted on the wall.&amp;nbsp; Turns out that my 20-year old small 24 volt transformer was in the process of failing, and only put out about 17 volts.&amp;nbsp; Strangely enough, the furnace kept operating, but the NEST battery wouldn't charge.&amp;nbsp; I replaced the 24v transformer in the basement and all has been well.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;That said, my NEST will be 5 years old soon, so your post has me wondering if I'm going to need a battery replacement.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 04:35:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36555#M7824</guid>
      <dc:creator>Greygeek</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-02T04:35:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36655#M7843</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;My HVAC system is about the same age as the nest so I am not sure it would be the issue or even how to check for that.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 13:43:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36655#M7843</guid>
      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-02T13:43:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36708#M7857</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Using a voltmeter, go to the furnace where the wiring from the NEST is connected. You should have 24 volts between the red (R) and the (C) connection points.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 15:25:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36708#M7857</guid>
      <dc:creator>Greygeek</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-02T15:25:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36745#M7864</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have 4 Wires.&amp;nbsp; They are Cool-Y1, Fan-G, Heat-W1, and Power-RH.&amp;nbsp; I don't have any wire going into the C port&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2021 16:13:57 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/36745#M7864</guid>
      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-02T16:13:57Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/52558#M11587</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I don't have one either.&amp;nbsp; No battery issues for two years.&amp;nbsp; Now it is happening.&amp;nbsp; Battery is just over 3.6 volts.&amp;nbsp; That is supposed to be ok.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:42:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/52558#M11587</guid>
      <dc:creator>Brucembh</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-11-29T19:42:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/58041#M12926</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Oddly have the same issue as well.&amp;nbsp; Installed my Nest Thermostat a little over&amp;nbsp; year ago (with no "C" wire connected) and it worked fine.&amp;nbsp; Now all of sudden it's reporting low battery and dropping the wi-fi connection repeatedly.&amp;nbsp; I've tried charging the unit via the micro-usb port and it seems fine initially but then quickly reverts back to low battery/wifi dropping behavior.&amp;nbsp; Struggle to understand why all of sudden now the lack of a connected "C" wire is an issue.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 22:36:47 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>NoNameLeft2Take</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-06T22:36:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/59037#M13221</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Same issue. Installed a new 3rd gen nest thermostat in our house at the beginning of September. No C wire. It worked great for 3 months until last week when it offline randomly and now I have to manually charge it every day or 2 to keep it functional. Zero changes to HVAC system or wiring and no power outages.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2021 00:56:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/59037#M13221</guid>
      <dc:creator>Cbeau7</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-08T00:56:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/62361#M14104</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm having the same issue.&amp;nbsp; Nest has been working fine for about 1.5 years and now it's doing the same thing as everyone else here has described.&amp;nbsp; Sure would be nice if Google Nest people would answer this thread.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:17:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/62361#M14104</guid>
      <dc:creator>lrankine</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-13T14:17:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66156#M14975</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I had nest since their backers times. So since gen 1. I had the hen 2 and gen 3 even with the best logo on the back. All work he’s great for so many year and now about few weeks ago I am getting the same offline/no battery issue just like everyone else. The odd is that I have 2 thermostats but I only have big this issue with 1.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:21:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66156#M14975</guid>
      <dc:creator>TheTomasN</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-18T16:21:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66577#M15093</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Has anyone here tried replacing the battery?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:10:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66577#M15093</guid>
      <dc:creator>TXRick</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-19T13:10:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66579#M15095</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I replaced the thermostat and same issue. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:16:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66579#M15095</guid>
      <dc:creator>TheTomasN</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-19T13:16:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66595#M15103</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Might be time for all of us to look for another brand of thermostat.........&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:51:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/66595#M15103</guid>
      <dc:creator>lrankine</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-19T13:51:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/70740#M15924</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Exactly the same issues as everyone above.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:00:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/70740#M15924</guid>
      <dc:creator>jungliebeats</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-27T11:00:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71074#M15981</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I did. Same behavior. I think it may have to do with change or update to software for connectivity to other devices draining power.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:47:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71074#M15981</guid>
      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-27T19:47:04Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71075#M15982</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;It must be some update to the software. I recently got a new phone and when I connected I got a message that asked if I wanted Nest to communicate to other devices and I replied NO. I haven’t lost connectivity again. Not sure if it is coincidence.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:48:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-27T19:48:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71107#M15990</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I replaced my my Nest all together. Still unsure why it worked perfectly for 3 months and then suddenly wasn’t getting enough power from my HVAC system. If that was truly the problem I think there would be issues during installation or at least a few days later, but not months or even years later like some people here are experiencing.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:17:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71107#M15990</guid>
      <dc:creator>Cbeau7</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-27T20:17:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/71705#M16115</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Back to not enough power. Definitely something changed with these. Recently. Perhaps some software update or something. That requires more power usage. I wish Nest would say something about this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:56:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ErnieC6720</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-28T16:56:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/72661#M16273</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Google replaced my 3rd generation nest that had this issue after one year.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:10:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/72661#M16273</guid>
      <dc:creator>fireflye10</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-29T19:10:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Nest 3rd gen Thermostat low battery issue after several years</title>
      <link>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/72702#M16293</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Got tired of messing around trying to get the Nest to work.&amp;nbsp; I've switched over to the Eccobee and am not looking back!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:37:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Thermostats/Nest-3rd-gen-Thermostat-low-battery-issue-after-several-years/m-p/72702#M16293</guid>
      <dc:creator>lrankine</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-12-29T19:37:30Z</dc:date>
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