09-05-2021 03:28 AM
11-15-2021 01:56 AM
Whats even more confusing is their guidance below on the gov site they mention that open plan kitchens and living rooms only need a heat alarm.
so by removing my nest and following that guidance it technically makes it a less safe system 😂
09-04-2022 05:17 AM
Their stance doesn't need to change. It's not about placating Google, it's about protecting people's homes from burning down. The new Scottish legislation is right, well thought out, and in line with international best practice. The same regs apply in England but only to new or substantially renovated properties or rental properties. There are arguments for and against retrospectively in law but in terms of safety, every house should meet these regs. Similar requirements exist in many US states, New Hampshire and Massachusetts are two that have been spoke about in these forums quite a bit.
12-12-2021 02:02 PM
Glad I read this. I was just looking to invest in some Nest alarms - guess I'll put my money elsewhere now given they won't conform with the upcoming legislation.
12-26-2021 02:00 AM
Any update on this @User123456 its been highlighted to you for at least 2 years.
12-15-2021 03:16 AM
Hello just bought 5 nest fire alarms and need to know if they will be compliant with Scottish law if not i need to put them back before the 14 day deadline
01-01-2022 04:17 PM
Send them back. I have ripped out my Google products and will be going elsewhere.
04-21-2022 12:34 PM
I just spent the good part of a day talking to Google and our local fire department. I live just outside of Boston, MA, USA. We recently started building an extra bedroom in an older house. In order to get the building permit approved, we had to insure all living spaces comply to the new fire code, not the code that was there at the time of installation of existing units; which appears to be similar to what is in Europe. This ended up adding an additional 6 detectors that we had to install in the house. The only missing link for us to continue using the Nest Protect system was the heat detector requirement for the garage. The only way we were able to solve it was to hard wire the heat detector to the nearest smoke/CO detector so that they are interconnected. No company makes a wireless connected heat detector (to my knowledge) that connects to Nest and Google, as you have read, do not produce a compliant product. Being its an older house and we had no options to run interconnected wires through the walls. The best and only solution we found was as follows:
- AC hardwired smoke/CO detectors in all required spaces (for the power source with battery backup)
- Interconnected wireless throughout the house
- Heat detector hard wire connected to AC and the nearest smoke/CO detector from the garage to the nearest unit in the house (mudroom)
The only system out there, that I have found that can accomplish this is the Kidde P4010ACSCO-W (for the smoke/CO detector), the Kidde AC135F (heat detector), and you can also use P4010ACS-W (smoke detector only no CO detection). The third item which does not include the CO detection is typically used in bedrooms whereas the smoke/CO combos are used in open spaces, hallways etc...
It is really unfortunate. I just bought 12 Nest Protect units that I will returning tomorrow. I even asked the fire department if there is any other option to use the Nest product and a standalone heat detector, the answer was a resounding no. The heat detector must be hard wired and interconnected (through a wire) to at least one smoke or smoke/co detector that is interlinked with others.
The final option I explored was just simply installing an additional Nest protect in the garage being that it has a heat sensor/detector built in. The problem here is that with the amount of dust, CO and other debris generally found in the garage, it will most likely keep being triggered. This happened when I had the mudroom door open where we have a current Nest detector installed and after cutting just 2 pieces of wood on my saw, the fire alarm went off.
Hope this helps some people with older houses. It's taken me almost 2 months of diligent searching to try and find a solution here. I really love the Nest products but if they can't work, they just can't. It's that simple. Google is the key but if they do not want to solve it, we have no choice. The one feature I will definitely miss is the location of possible dangers which is broadcast through the speaker. With all retrofit units that run on a wireless interconnected network, you will lose that functionality. The only way to have that functionality in some of the newer apps from Kidde and others is if the entire house is hard wired with 14/3 wire at the time of construction.
05-23-2022 02:09 AM
Please sign my petition to get this changed:
09-04-2022 05:23 AM
As I replied to you above, the law should not change. It's about safety and international best practice. Google Nest are the ones in the wrong here, cutting off all Scottish customers and many in England and certain US states.
05-23-2022 08:48 AM
Signed!
08-26-2022 11:05 PM
Even if they managed to produce a compliant stand alone heat alarm, if you've got a current system using batteries then it still fails the Scottish standard. I'm in this situation, waste of money.
10-05-2022 07:26 PM
This is getting me in massachusetts, except for garage heat sensors. Some quick searching and the same rules apply to NY, so I'm sure this will likely roll to the whole US.
Failing to keep things up to code is a good enough reason for me to ditch the whole nest ecosystem.
Google, please don't kill the nest system just because you don't want to do some simple engineering.
10-14-2022 08:49 AM
Hi folks,
We hear you. Our team is working hard to deliver the best experience for our users — we'll take this as feedback. Keep your eye on the Google Nest Community page for any updates. Please let me know if you have other questions or concerns as I will be locking this in 24 hours if I won't hear back from you again. Feel free to start a new thread and we'll be happy to help.
Check out this link on how to file feedback.
Thanks,
Edward