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Warning the NEST Learning Thermostat Can Destroy Your Home

gdking
Community Member

I purchased 2 Nest 3rd Thermostats in 2018 to save energy and to protect my home while traveling. I recently arrived back home from a 4 week visit with family in Florida. My two thermostats are used to heat my home and support a two-zone system (Downstairs and Master Bedroom). My heating is from a natural gas furnace and forced hot water system. While I was away my Downstairs Nest Thermostat went offline. A few days later my Master Bedroom Nest Thermostat went offline. I remotely rebooted my XFi router with no luck in getting the 2 Nest Thermostats back online. My other NEST devices which include an internal and external NEST camera all remained online.  

I live in a cold climate (Massachusetts) and upon my return to my home my basement and first floor was flooded due to frozen and burst pipes in my baseboard heating system. After some investigation with Nest Support and the Google Home app Energy Dashboard, I learned that the lithium batteries in the Nest Learning Thermostat can reach a state where they no longer can hold a charge. In my case the Nest thermostats went offline to conserve power before failing all together. Once the batteries completely discharge the NEST Thermostat will not and cannot activate your heating system. The result in my case in a destroyed home with extensive water damage to walls, flooring, ceiling and personal items like furniture totally over $100,000. Both NEST Thermostats were flashing red when I arrived home. I took both Nest Thermostat off the back plate, used a micro-USB cable to charge them for 12 hours. When I go to place the Nest Thermostat back on the back plate I immediately get a display message that the thermostat is shutting down and once it does the device becomes non-responsive (as in dead). This is occurring in both Nest Thermostats. It’s a fatal design flaw that the company should be warning consumers about as the consequences of a dead thermostat in a cold weather environment are devastating. To make matters worse the insurance company is asking for my Nest records to confirm that I was not negligent in maintaining heat in the home. I now face the prospect of being denied an insurance payment. There are no NEST solutions for this problem, once the battery can no longer keep a charge you have to purchase a new device at $249 per device. I am planning to file a consumer compliant with the Office of the Attorney General in Massachusetts and with the MassSave state wide efficiency program to ensure that the battery failure in this device will not impact other consumes as it has my family. This product should only be sold in a cold weather state like Massachusetts without a warning label advising consumers of the potential of a catastrophic failure of the device due to a battery discharge. LET THE BUYER BEWARE!Nest_Battery_Failure.jpg

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Hoot_Foghorn
Community Member

I would be very surprised your complaint would be admissible. The whole heating of your home dependent on batteries? This is a poodle & microwave story.

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I happen to be an energy efficiency consultant so I know a bit about how the device works. Consider this, would you be able to place a phone call with a dead cellphone? The answer is off course not so why would you expect a dead thermostat to turn on your heating system when it is dead? After I initiated research project I learned that there have been postings and news articles about dead or dying batteries causing the device to malfunction. You appear to be woefully misinformed. 

I happen to be skilled in continuity, fault tolerant and redundant architecture. Also expert in analytical troubleshooting and problem avoidance. I would not use a battery powered device whose failure can cause damage without a wired backup. 

Good luck with your legal battle. My comment still stands.

Houptee
Silver Product Expert
Silver Product Expert

This sucks sorry for the damage to your home! I would try to get 3rd party to prove the batteries both died to prove to your homeowners insurance.

But I have a question did you have C wires for both Nests so they would be charging at all times and then they would still work if batteries died since you have the + and - (common) 24 volts all the time keeping system alive.


Houptee -- NJ Master HVAC Licensed Contractor

gdking
Community Member

I only use the thermostats to heat our home so I have a two wire configuration with W1 which is labeled for Heat and Rh which is labeled Power.  I assumed the thermostat were powered by the Rh wire and that any embedded batteries were strictly used for the retention of settings during a power outage. I am not alone with this problem, I posted my story on LinkedIn and have heard from a number of people who were unaware that the strategic role of the embedded lithium battery. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/fashion/nest-thermostat-glitch-battery-dies-software-freeze.html. Nest needs to do more to make consumers aware of this potential problem.

ur_mom
Community Member

There was no market demand for Nest in the first place. Think about it. But people saw the lighted screen, so they forked over a couple hundred bucks to replace something that worked just fine. Why? Because adult's are just oversized toddler's.

hyankov
Community Member

So terribly sorry to hear about your problem and what happened to you. I myself am about to go out on vacation for a week, in the middle of a cold snap, and I'm terrified of leaving the house safety up to the Nest thermostat. I will be monitoring the house temperature remotely every few hours and I have a plan to ask a friend to come in if I see the temperature dropping unexplainably.

 

This post is from the beginning of the year, so the legal matter is probably settled by now, but for what it's worth the insurance companies usually deny those big claims so that so that they get your lawyers to sit with them and negotiate. I hope that's what you did as well. The Nest records should be easily subpoenaed.

 

As far as the charging goes there's a big catch when you use only two (four) wires. I had to learn that myself after I had a fuse turned off for a little while to perform a house maintenance. The Nest thermostat discharged enough so that it disconnected from my network (about 3.6v) and the furnace started acting up. I had to disconnect it and charge it before it started working correctly again. What happens is the thermostat only charges while the HVAC is actively working. To charge itself up, Nest will try to "steal" power from the HVAC, which may accidentally due to HVAC oversensitivity turn it on. If it does, the charging will stop and the HVAC will turn off (the signal to power on has stopped). So guess what happens if you have a low battery thermostat combined with a sensitive furnace. The thermostat short cycles the furnace. It's a sh#&t show. The solution to it is to disconnect the Nest, charge it, connect it back in.

 

I completely agree they should have created a redundant system, capable of maintaining minimal safety temperatures. A stupid thermostat can do that why wouldn't the smart thermostat be able to do it as well, mechanically. It's just crazy. Actually there is something called "thermostat safety temperatures", within the settings, I just don't think it's backed by mechanical means. We're not the only ones who think this way. Check out this post, specifically under "Reliability" - http://greyghost.mooo.com/nest-thermo/

 

Anyway I hope things worked out for you

Jhonleanmel
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi hyankov,

 

We deeply appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences, and we'll take it as feedback. We hope we can change your mind in the future.
 

Best,

Mel

Hey there hyankov,

Checking back in should you still have some questions here. Let us know by replying to this thread. 

Best, 
Mel

Hi hyankov,

Just one quick final check in here since activity has slowed down. We haven't heard from you in a while so we'll be locking this thread if there is no update after 24 hours. If you have any new questions, updates or just a discussion topic, feel free to start a new thread in the Community.

Thanks,
Mel