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Keeping radiators warmer for longer period in Winter

AndyW89
Community Member

Had a Nest installed this year in March/April and only now properly using it during winter.

Is it possible to set the Nest Thermostat to keep the radiators in the house (based in UK) on for a longer period of time to keep the rooms warmer? When the heating comes on at the scheduled time, the radiators warm up and get hot but once it has reached the temperature required, the radiators will cool back down within 10-20 minutes back to cold and in-turn mean the rooms aren't keeping warm for long enough. With winter coming, its annoying if the room I am in is only warm for 30 minutes or so for instance until it gets cooler again as no heat output from the radiator.

Can anyone help and provide any advise?

Thank you. Andy

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KCW
Community Member

Hi Andy, I'm also in the UK. From a recent chat with my plumber - it sounds like Nest uses a 2 hour run up to get your rooms to the desired temperature. 

They way my setup works is - I set a target temp (say 19 at 7am). Usually the heating starts a couple of hours beforehand to get the room to this temperature by 7am. I think it does some calculations on how much fuel/time it will need depending overnight temperature (both inside and outside).

I then drop the target temperature for most of the day (lets say 18). The heat comes on if the thermostat senses the room temperature dropping below 18. On a cold day, this may mean the radiators firing intermittently/almost continuously throughout the day. On milder days it may not fire much at all. 

In the schedule I then set a warmer temperature for the end of the afternoon (back up to 19 or 19.5). I find when the sun goes down the house start getting chilly. This usually means the radiators are firing in time to keep the house warm just after sunset. 

If I find I'm still feeling cold, I usually nudge the thermostat half a degree or a degree above the current room temperature shown on the thermostat. That usually keeps the radiators firing for another hour/hour and a half. 

Interestingly, the Nest suggested a seasonal schedule a while back. It now also has a target temp of 17 that kicks in just before midnight. This means the house is cooling a bit while getting ready for bed and overnight. Again, I use the 'half a degree above target some evening if it all feeling a bit too chilly. Generally only have to do this if it's bloody freezing outside! 

Hope this helps. I think some of it is about finding what level the target thermostat temperature has to be set at to keep all the rooms comfortably warm. Took me a while to figure out how to schedule the target temperatures though!

 

KCW
Community Member

In case it helps - here's the target temperatures I'm setting over 24 hours:

03:45 (17)

07:00 (18.5)

17:00 (19)

21:00 (19)

23.30 (17)

AndyW89
Community Member

@KCW Hi KCW, thank you for your reply and assistance, much appreciated. I currently have the True Radiant set to preheat during the night at 1 hour prior to the heating kicking in at 6am when I get up. As I am out for work during the day/week, I normally have the heating kick in at 6pm for when I get home. I then have it kick in again at 8pm and once more at 10pm before going to bed. Target temperature I have set currently at 20 for all those times. The problem I am finding is that once it has kicked in at those times stated, the radiators heat the room/or rooms I am in to a comfortable temperature but it won't keep the room warm for a long period as the radiators just cool back down. Should I be setting additional target temperatures between those times at 15/30 minute intervals to keep the radiators warm and the radiators hot for a continuous amount of time?

I basically moved in to the house last year and it is my first house so a bit of a novice in a sense. The old programmable timer, a Potterton EP3000, was so old and basic it wasn't worth really playing with the heating settings much. I am just trying to understand if I am using the thermostat correctly and if I have bought the right thermostat. Just think back to when I was back at home at my parents it always felt warm in the rooms I was in especially through winter, though I never paid attention to the thermostat/timer as my parents looked after that ahaha.

Thanks for your help so far.
Andy 

KCW
Community Member

Hi Andy - is the problem the the rooms are getting cold (or that you'd like the radiators to be firing for a continuous period as with a traditional timer?)

I find that it sometimes has to drop about half a degree below target for the radiators to fire up again (if say my target is 20). Some days I really feel it the drop-off, some days I barely notice it. 

If your rooms are getting cold really quickly, maybe have a look around to see if you have any drafts and if you can stop them. It might sound basic, but I've been amazed at the difference it can make.

I'd also second Mrkhvrs comment. Its also important to have the thermostat set up away from drafts/radiators and windows. Once I positioned mine properly it became easier for it to get an accurate read on temperatures.

Mrkhvrs
Community Member

I’m also trying to get the hang of this thermostat, after purchasing in June! 
one thing I would add to above comments is make sure the thermostat is located away from the radiators/windows etc.  
I feel this thermostat  needs a way to “stretch” the orange dots!  So when you add a dot (set temperature) to the program you can keep that temperature for desired time.  I can’t work out how long the dots (target temperatures)  last for!   I will be following this post. 

KCW
Community Member

My assumption is that the system works to maintain the set temperature until there's another time/target temp. So it's worked best for me to set the temperatures over a 24 hour cycle.

Sometimes if I make a manual adjustment (usually above the target temp) it will say something like 20 degrees until 5pm. Which is usually the timestamp for the evening for my evening target temperature. 

I also assume that it works the other way if you have a lower set temperature  - say overnight. Let's say my room was 20 degrees at 5pm but I want it no warmer that 18 degrees at 11pm.

I would assume that it stops firing the radiators in time to let the flat cool down as it gets closer to 11.  

If your nest does suggest a pattern of seasonal savings, do try it out. I tried the first one last winter and found it worked a lot better than my slightly random schedule!

CristianC
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hello everyone,

 

 

Thanks for reaching out. Your thermostat will keep your room at the temperature you set on its display or schedule. I recommend to have True Radiant enabled because this feature can start your heating early and even stop it early if needed. This way, you should always feel comfortable and save energy in the meantime. 

AlexD
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi, I wanted to check in. Do you need any further assistance? If so, make sure to let me know. 

AlexD
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hey there, I haven't heard from you in a while so I'll be locking this thread. If you have any new issues, updates or just a discussion topic, feel free to start a new thread in the community. Thanks, AlexD.