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Faulty device - Denied raising a complaint.

HarryB
Community Member

tl;dr -

- Device stopped recording live events.
- Faulty device, always idle unless actively viewing live feed.
- Multiple contacts to be told 10 days later, that this is expected behaviour for the camera to not record events while idle (But that the camera shouldn't actually go in to an idle state? Why did it work for the first week or so?).
- Multiple failed follow-up emails.
- Multiple chats ended by support without a resolution.
- Denied official complaint avenue.

 

 

A few months ago I purchased a Nest Cam (Battery) and it seemed to be fine. Despite it being more expensive than other cameras and requiring a subscription to store recorded events, I decided to opt for this camera as it would be connected to other google products in my home.

 

Initially the camera seemed to record events, however after the free nest aware trial ended, the only time the camera actually records events is when I'm viewing the live feed, which is obviously not very useful.

 

I contacted support on 05/02/22 and after going through troubleshooting steps of trying a different device to view the home app on (I'm not sure why they expected this to make the camera start recording events when not viewing the live feed) and multiple factory resets, the advisor ended the chat on me while I was performing the second factory reset and I was unable to get back through to support the same day.

 

On 06/02/22, I contacted again to continue troubleshooting and try to resolve the issue. I explained a second time that the camera only records events when viewing the live feed, but not when the camera is idle.

I went through similar troubleshooting steps again and factory reset the device again with the same results. Ultimately I was advised that the issue would be escalated to a senior team and to expect a response within 2 days.

 

On 10/02/22, I had not received any emails regarding the issue, so I contacted again. Explained the problems again and received apologies that the senior team had not provided an update yet and had new expectations set to wait a further 2 working days for an update.

 

It is now the 15th, and I have not received any emails with updates, so contacted yet again.

Today I have been advised that the senior team have still not touched this case that has been escalated twice, however the camera will not record events when idle and that this is expected behaviour.

 

I was offered a replacement device, but advised that I would essentially need to purchase a new camera ("The funds won't be taken from your account, just held"... Which is essentially the same thing! If it's not in my available balance, it has been taken from me, even if just temporarily?)

 

I requested to escalate this matter as an official complaint, or to speak to a manager and was advised that chats cannot be transferred and further, I cannot raise a complaint.

 

I have also requested to keep matters text based, so there is a record of what has been discussed and multiple times on the chat I was advised to expect a phone call.

As expectations have been failed multiple times for email follow-ups, I requested that the manager or supervisor email me now just confirming that they will be in touch tomorrow and the advisor ended the chat on me.

 

I am incredibly frustrated and feel like I have made a huge mistake purchasing this camera and a subscription to go with it.

I am now left with a camera that only tells me and logs something has happened if I actively see it myself viewing the live feed, no avenue for raising a complaint, no option for a refund for a device that is simply not fit for purpose and a subscription that will not be refunded despite it being useless with a faulty device.

 

I apologise if this post rambles on, but I am incredibly frustrated with the poor experience I have had and the faulty device I am left with.

Will I receive an email or phone call tomorrow from a supervisor/senior team investigating this issue? 3rd time's the charm, but I'm highly doubtful given the poor customer experience so far.

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MplsCustomer
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@HarryB 

As another Nest customer, it seems what you have experienced is terrible.

I can't tell whether you bought a paid Nest Aware subscription after your free 30-day trial expired. But if you have the Google Nest Camera (Battery) and do NOT have a Nest Aware subscription, you are supposed to get video history only for "up to 3 hours of event video history".  (https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9681538)  It seems from what other customers report that this actually means just events that occurred within the last 3 hours.

I'm guessing you might be running your camera on battery. There are other posts in this forum about the Google Nest Camera (Battery) being in "Idle" mode when running on battery, and therefore slow to wake up and capture events. But what you report seems worse.

It could be your camera is defective. Or perhaps the camera is inherently flawed and functions that poorly when running on battery.

We've had a Google Nest Camera (Battery) since early Sept. 2021 and have it plugged in all the time with the optional power cable. It's "Live" all the time and captures events like our older Nest cameras, but we have a Nest Aware Plus subscription.

Thanks for the response @MplsCustomer 

 

I assumed the 3 hours meant it only recorded events that occurred within the past 3 hours, which isn't ideal so I paid for 12 months of Nest Aware to keep the events stored for 30 days (? - If I remember right)

 

The camera is running on battery, but if the camera needs to be connected to the cable to function correctly and actually record events that occur, I think that's pretty poor and would feel like I've been mis-sold a product that isn't actually fit for purpose.

 

Hopefully I receive a response from support tomorrow as per the expectations that have set again.

 

At this point I hope they agree to refund my subscription and refund me for the camera so I can purchase something more suitable (Even if it does mean having to purchase a cabled solution, I can at least buy something that doesn't also require a subscription on top)

HarryB
Community Member

Credit where it's due, I got a response from 2nd line and a supervisor.

Granted the response from 2nd line simply requested information I had already provided on multiple online chats, and the response from the supervisor was an apology and confirmation they would look in to a nest aware refund once the problem is actually resolved.

Neither confirmed that the device sounds faulty, as advised by the last chat advisor that disconnected me, and when questioning the process for raising a formal complaint, I just got another apology but no complaints code of practice etc.

 

Hopefully this is at least a start on getting to the bottom of the issues I'm experiencing and fingers crossed they're able to provide an acceptable solution in a timely manner.

HarryB
Community Member

Following my previous post, things haven't really improved.

 

I was left no option but to proceed with a replacement device (Along with the full cost of the device being held in a pending state, to be taken in the event that I do not return the original)

 

The replacement device exhibits the same behaviour in that it goes in to an idle state when not viewing the live feed (Which support previously have lead me to believe is not expected behaviour and that the camera will not wake itself up to record events if it goes in to an idle state?)

 

As it currently stands, it appears level 3 have now given up, with the latest advice being that the camera is either incompatible with my phone (A Google Pixel 6 Pro) Although I'm not sure why my Google phone would prevent my Google camera from waking up to record events - But functioning as expected an actually recording when actively viewing the live feed.

Or issues between my camera and my network, with the advice from level 3 to contact my Internet Service Provider to quote: "Please check that". I asked what I am supposed to be checking with my ISP exactly and got no further useful information, just a repeat that I have now had 2 replacement devices (I have only had 1 replacement device) and that if they both behave the same and neither wake up from idle to record events, the issue must be with my network, or my phone.

 

Further to this, having asked on multiple chats initially, via email to level 3, and a separate email chain to a supervisor/complaint handler, I am still yet to receive a response pointing me towards a complaint code of practice or something of that nature with details on how long I need to allow Google to deal with my complaint before I can escalate this through some sort of third party dispute resolution ombudsman or similar.

 

- No option for returning my device and replacement device for a full refund despite them not being fit for purpose or working as expected.

- Paid a subscription for recording/retaining records past the free 3 hours, but this is largely useless given the camera doesn't record events unless I sit watching the live feed 24/7.

- No specifics on what to check with my ISP/check on my network further than "Check that"

- No satisfaction that this issue or complaint has been handled to a standard I would hope for from a company as large as Google.

- No details on escalating further through some form of Alternative Dispute Resolution/Ombudsman service.

 

Very frustrating. Very unsatisfied. An overall very poor experience.

 

@HarryB 

It seems Google Nest Support does not want to admit to you that the Google Nest Camera (Battery) may simply be inherently flawed when running on battery power.

But it is true that, when running on battery power, the camera goes into "Idle" mode. That is not just our experience. (When we unplug our camera, it immediately goes into "Idle" mode.) In a separate thread (https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Cameras-and-Doorbells/Idle-Camera-No-motion-detection/m-p/110...), Google Nest Support has conceded that, when running on battery power, the battery camera has problems with motion detection, and has said this:

"There is no such fix for this at this time still. Nest Cam (battery) will go into idle mode whenever it's running on battery. To stream live video in this case, you'll first need to tap "Live video" for your camera in the Google Home app. If Nest Cam (battery) is wired, the live video will stream without needing to tap the option."

I agree with you that it is misleading to sell this camera as a "battery" camera if it has to be connected to a power cable to function correctly. Our experience is that it needs to be plugged into power. Our battery camera--plugged in with the optional power cable--does function correctly (but lacks some of the functionality of our other Google Nest cameras because it doesn't work with the Google Nest app).

Thanks @MplsCustomer 

While this isn't the type of response I was hoping for, it does give weight to my feeling of being mis-sold a product.

Advertised as a battery powered 'security' camera, when in reality it's no more than an expensive paperweight when not plugged in. Unless of course Google expect us to be telepathic and just know when to tune in to the live feed in time to catch anything happening for it to actually record the event.

 

Something I find extremely bizarre is that the camera did initially work as expected. I definitely got a few notifications while I wasn't actively viewing the live feed and checked them to find recorded events. However it hasn't caught even a single event since I've paid the subscription (Aside from when I have been actively watching the live feed).

 

I wish I'd done more reading through forums and less reading reviews (None of which, at least the ones I checked, highlighted this issue). I could have saved money on the initial purchase and had the ability to store event recordings without the need for an ongoing subscription on top.

 

I sincerely hope that I am able to get a refund for this (Even if it means having to return my not-yet-installed doorbell along with it)

@HarryB 

I was puzzled by the fact that your camera initially worked as expected. Perhaps, depending on your weather, your camera was in some way also affected by the fact that the batteries in the new battery cameras and doorbells don't charge in colder weather--a fact that Google Nest Support admitted to about 10 days ago:

https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/11830989?hl=en

Good luck on a resolution!

Brad
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hey there,

 

I just wanted to jump in real fast and thank you for your feedback. Please feel free to submit your feedback to us. I've put instructions for feedback below.

 

  • Open the Google Home app

Google Home app

  • At the top right, tap your account.
  • Tap Feedback 

and then

  • tap the type of device you'd like to submit feedback for.
  • To display available emails, in the "From:" section, tap the arrow on the right. Select your email address.
  • In the feedback summary, write a brief description of your issue.
  • Be sure to check the box for Screenshot and System logs.
  • To submit feedback, at the top right corner, tap Send 

 

If you need anything else, please let me know.

Best regards,

Brad.

Brad
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi there,

 

Just checking in to see if you still need assistance with this issue. Please let me know if you need further assistance. 

 

Best Regards,

Brad.

Brad
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hey Folks.

 

At this time, I'll go ahead and lock this thread. If you're still experiencing problems, feel free to start a new thread and we'll be happy to help.

 

Best Regards,

Brad.