11-30-2023 02:56 PM
I have the 3-point WiFi mesh kit. Does the access point that is wired to the modem need to be next to it? Our Xfinity gateway is located in my wife’s office out of necessity and is located at one end of our single story home. As a result, the WiFi signal at the far end of the house is weak. The mesh kit did improve the signal, but I’m wondering if I install an Ethernet line from her office to a more central location and locate the wired mesh access point there, will it improve the signal at the ends of our house? The installation instructions were to place the wired access point near the gateway.
12-01-2023 09:11 AM
You're on the right track with this plan. The primary Nest WiFi unit does not need to be near the modem – it just needs to be connected to it via Ethernet. Your plan to run a cable to get the primary moved to a more central location is a great plan to improve coverage throughout the home. After you make that change, I would place the two secondary/point units one or two rooms away from the primary/router unit. From there, they will provide coverage to more distant clients.
12-03-2023 06:54 AM
Thank you MichaelP…
I’ve seen contradictory articles regarding the enabling of bridge mode on the gateway when using the Google mesh product. I’ve read it’s a necessity to avoid “double NAT” and on the other hand it only works with a single puck system (assumedly based on the shape of the access points). When I enabled bridge mode I could not get the primary access point to work. Any light you can shed on the subject?
12-03-2023 07:40 AM
Hello @sjchavez6
Home networking is complicated. I'll try to answer this as thoroughly as I can, but this is still going to require a fair amount of information. Let's define some terms first (but fair warning: all of these definitions are "wrong" to some degree just because of the sheer complexity of this world; the definitions below as "common" and succinct, but also my own):
bridge: a device that connects two or more local area networks (LANs) to each other "transparently" (meaning it does not modify or block packets. Examples of bridges include typical Ethernet switches and modems (see below).
modem: a device compatible with your internet service provider's technology (e.g., coaxial cable, optical fiber, etc.) that adapts that technology to a standard local area network (e.g., Ethernet). From a networking perspective, this type of device is a "bridge".
router: a device that connects two or more IP networks to each other. Typically, one of these networks will be a wide area network (e.g., "the internet").
firewall: a device that blocks traffic between two or more IP networks according to configured rules. In typical consumer networking, this is a "NAT" (network address translation) firewall, meaning it allows outbound connections, but not inbound connections, and allows only inbound packets that are part of a connection that was originally initiated from "inside" the network. So-named because it hides all of the IPv4 addresses of the hosts on the inner network from the outside, behind a single IPv4 address. In home networking equipment, a "router" typically includes a "firewall" integrated together.
WiFi access point: a "bridge" that connects one or more WiFi wireless local area networks (e.g., one or more SSIDs on one or more bands like 2.4GHz, 5GHz, or 6GHz) to each other and (commonly) to one or more non-WiFi local area networks (e.g., Ethernet).
gateway: a somewhat poorly defined term that may include one or more of the above (bridge, modem, router, firewall, and WiFi access point).
double NAT: a situation where one layer of router+firewall functions is connected to the "inner" network created by another, outer layer of router+firewall functions. Double NAT often happens when an internet service provider combination device (i.e., something that includes at least a modem, router, and firewall) is installed, creating an inner network to which a third-party WiFi solution is connected – one that also includes a router+firewall feature.
Ok, so with all of those definitions out of the way, we can talk more specifically about Nest WiFi, "bridge mode" and "double NAT". In the Nest WiFi system, the "Nest WiFi Router" unit must be connected to the internet via Ethernet. By default, it will be in "router" (not "bridge") mode, creating a new inner network (wired – via the LAN Ethernet port – and wireless) with a firewall to manage access in and out. If it's connected to a simple "modem" (not a "gateway"), there will be no "double NAT" (since the modem is only acting as a bridge). This is the simplest configuration, and the most reliable.
If, however, your internet service provider has installed a more complex "gateway" that includes a modem, router+firewall, and WiFi access point all-in-one (as is increasingly common), then connecting a Nest WiFi Router to that unit will result in double NAT for the devices (wired and wireless) that are connected to the network created by the Nest WiFi Router.
There are two solutions to this:
1. Reconfigure the ISP-provided equipment to put it in "bridge" mode. This isn't always possible, but it is the simplest solution. After this change, the Nest WiFi Router is the only router+firewall in the system ("single NAT"), and it should be the only thing directly connected to the ISP's device.
2. Reconfigure the Nest WiFi Router to put it in "bridge" mode. This has significant downsides, chiefly the fact that in bridge mode, a primary Nest WiFi Router unit (the one connected to your internet service) cannot support secondary (mesh-connected) access points.
Whew. That ended up being longer than I had expected, but due to the complexity, I wanted to be as detailed as necessary.
12-03-2023 01:16 PM
Thank you MichaelP. I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. My Xfinity Gateway is all inclusive and in admin mode I was able to enable the bridge mode. However, I was unsuccessful in activating the Google mesh. Perhaps I need to reset the mesh points to their mfr settings and start from scratch. 🤞
12-03-2023 02:18 PM
Yeah, getting your Xfinity gateway in bridge mode is a great first step. If you experimented with bridge mode on your Nest WiFi system, a factory reset would be prudent.