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What is a WiFi Switch?

DougB1
Community Member

I have a Google mesh system for WiFi connections.  I may be interested in connecting some hard lines.  I have read some of the interesting help documents from Google, and they often mention using a Switch for harwire connections, but there's no explanation of what a Switch is.  Can someone explain what a WiFi switch for a Google Nest system is?  Thank you.

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MichaelP
Diamond Product Expert
Diamond Product Expert

Hello @DougB1 

An Ethernet switch is just a small box with several Ethernet ports. It can be connected to the LAN Ethernet port on your Google/Nest WiFi Router unit to make more Ethernet ports available to connect other devices. This is not something specific to Google/Nest WiFi. Here's an example: https://smile.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-Optimization-Unmanaged-TL-SG105/dp/B00A128S24/ref=sr_1_3  (note that I am not endorsing this specific product, just using it as a representative example of the category). When selecting an Ethernet switch, stick with "unmanaged" rather than anything described as "smart" or "managed". You want something simple that will be plug-and-play without requiring any configuration or software installation. I hope this helps.

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MichaelP
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The range between mesh nodes is generally one or two rooms through typical hollow (interior) wall construction materials. Solid walls (brick, concrete, plaster) will reduce this range. Exterior walls are much more variable. Metallic vapor barriers and aluminum siding will impact range significantly. Obviously, if those exterior walls are solid (brick, etc.) that will have a similar impact on reduced range. So, in general, getting coverage to outbuildings is not reliable using just mesh units. I typically recommend running an Ethernet cable in this case, and if you choose to go that route, there are a lot more issues to discuss regarding exactly how it needs to be connected. There are (relatively expensive) wireless products that can be mounted on each building to create a sort of "virtual Ethernet" connection, and that might be an alternative to running an actual Ethernet cable. But, setting these up and configuring them is probably not for the faint of heart, depending on how comfortable you are with networking and wireless details.

I would also just note that the mesh nodes use the fewest hops to get traffic where it needs to go. Since WiFi will slow down significantly to get through, this means even relatively distant mesh nodes will usually communicate directly with the primary node (the one connected to your internet service) rather than going through an intermediate node. This is why the placement advice for optimal performance and coverage is to have the primary as close to the center of your home as possible with secondary (wireless mesh) units one or two rooms away from there – close enough they can all get strong 5GHz WiFi connections directly to the primary. From there, they will provide 2.4GHz and 5GHz coverage to more distant WiFi client devices. I'm just pointing this out so you don't have unexpectedly poor performance when you try to extend your network.

Lastly, keep in mind there's a single 5GHz channel used system-wide. That channel has to carry traffic between access points and 5GHz WiFi clients as well as carrying that same traffic again through the mesh interconnect. So, there is a practical limit to how many total access points can be supported in a system without things actually getting worse (slower at best, intermittent connectivity at worst). I believe the current limit is 5.

In short, these systems are deceptively complex. Think about the constraints and plan any changes carefully in advance. Make small changes and test between each change. I hope some of this information is useful!

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MichaelP
Diamond Product Expert
Diamond Product Expert

Hello @DougB1 

An Ethernet switch is just a small box with several Ethernet ports. It can be connected to the LAN Ethernet port on your Google/Nest WiFi Router unit to make more Ethernet ports available to connect other devices. This is not something specific to Google/Nest WiFi. Here's an example: https://smile.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-Optimization-Unmanaged-TL-SG105/dp/B00A128S24/ref=sr_1_3  (note that I am not endorsing this specific product, just using it as a representative example of the category). When selecting an Ethernet switch, stick with "unmanaged" rather than anything described as "smart" or "managed". You want something simple that will be plug-and-play without requiring any configuration or software installation. I hope this helps.

EdwardT
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi folks,

 

@MichaelP, thanks for the help as always!

 

@DougB1, I'm glad to hear that MichaelP's answer was able to help you. Let us know if you have other questions and we'd be happy to assist you.

 

Thanks,

Edward

EdwardT
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi DougB1,

 

It's me again. I wanted to check back in to see if you have other questions and concerns. Feel free to let me know if you do. 

 

Thanks,

Edward

DougB1
Community Member

Hello EdwardT, yes actually I do have another question.  The other day my wifi went down, so to troubleshoot, I swapped my router out with another point.  It turned out, the ISP was down for repairs, and when it came back up my wifi was still down.  I swapped my point back out to the original router, and it worked fine again.  My theory is, once a point is configured as a router, special action needs to be taken to reconfigure a different point as a router.  Would you have clarification of that, and if indeed that's the case, instructions how to reconfigure a different point to work?  Thank you.

EdwardT
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi DougB1,

 

Thanks for the response. To configure another point as the router, you would need to factory reset the point and the network. You would need to setup a new network if you're going to use another point as the router.

 

Thanks,

Edward

EdwardT
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi DougB1,

 

It's me again. I wanted to check back in to see if you have other questions and concerns. Feel free to let me know if you do. 

 

Thanks,

Edward

DougB1
Community Member

Thank you MichaelP; that's very helpful!

DougB1
Community Member

Things are working well now.  I do have something I've been thinking about:
I originally went to the mesh system, to get WiFi out to a detached garage.  Other than an underground Ethernet line, or another satellite dish, it's the only thing I could think of to extend our current modem.  What is the range of the Points?  I may want to also put one into my internal garage, and am thinking about purchasing another one.  I have four right now, including the router.  Thank you, Ed.

MichaelP
Diamond Product Expert
Diamond Product Expert

The range between mesh nodes is generally one or two rooms through typical hollow (interior) wall construction materials. Solid walls (brick, concrete, plaster) will reduce this range. Exterior walls are much more variable. Metallic vapor barriers and aluminum siding will impact range significantly. Obviously, if those exterior walls are solid (brick, etc.) that will have a similar impact on reduced range. So, in general, getting coverage to outbuildings is not reliable using just mesh units. I typically recommend running an Ethernet cable in this case, and if you choose to go that route, there are a lot more issues to discuss regarding exactly how it needs to be connected. There are (relatively expensive) wireless products that can be mounted on each building to create a sort of "virtual Ethernet" connection, and that might be an alternative to running an actual Ethernet cable. But, setting these up and configuring them is probably not for the faint of heart, depending on how comfortable you are with networking and wireless details.

I would also just note that the mesh nodes use the fewest hops to get traffic where it needs to go. Since WiFi will slow down significantly to get through, this means even relatively distant mesh nodes will usually communicate directly with the primary node (the one connected to your internet service) rather than going through an intermediate node. This is why the placement advice for optimal performance and coverage is to have the primary as close to the center of your home as possible with secondary (wireless mesh) units one or two rooms away from there – close enough they can all get strong 5GHz WiFi connections directly to the primary. From there, they will provide 2.4GHz and 5GHz coverage to more distant WiFi client devices. I'm just pointing this out so you don't have unexpectedly poor performance when you try to extend your network.

Lastly, keep in mind there's a single 5GHz channel used system-wide. That channel has to carry traffic between access points and 5GHz WiFi clients as well as carrying that same traffic again through the mesh interconnect. So, there is a practical limit to how many total access points can be supported in a system without things actually getting worse (slower at best, intermittent connectivity at worst). I believe the current limit is 5.

In short, these systems are deceptively complex. Think about the constraints and plan any changes carefully in advance. Make small changes and test between each change. I hope some of this information is useful!

DougB1
Community Member

That is very helpful.  It suggests I should move my router from the furthest corner in my house, inward as much as possible.  I can easily move it at least one room over, to eliminate a plaster wall.  Thank you.

EdwardT
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi folks,

 

@MichaelP, thanks for the help!

 

@DougB1, I'm happy to hear that MichaelP's response helped you. Let us know if you have other questions and we'd be glad to assist you.

 

Thanks,

Edward

 

Jeff
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi all,

As we got our resolution here, I'm going to mark this one as resolved in the next 24 hours. Thanks to all who helped and contributed. If anyone has any other needs, please feel free to let me know before the lock.

Thanks,
Jeff