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Is the wiring for my Bryant Furnace compatible with wiring for Nest Thermostat?

hkies
Community Member

Note jumper between RC & R.  The two connections for S1 & S2 are for an external Temp sensor which is not needed.

 

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CoolingWizard
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Thank you for rapid response.  You can use any nest thermostat to solve your problem. If you want advance, features like auto schedule creation, touch screen control and more advanced features etc, go with a nest learning thermostat. The jumper wire on your old thermostat between R and RC will not be needed. 

Your Wires In use are as follows:

R/Rc - Red Wire (Power 24 VAC)

W/W1 - White (Furnace Relay)

Y/Y1 - Yellow Wire (Cooling Relay)

G - Green Wire (Fan Relay)

C - Blue Wire (Power 24VAC Common)

The wires connected S1 and S2 will not be needed by a Nest Thermostat.

 

The AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

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CoolingWizard
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Your current  HVAC system Thermostat uses two temperature sensors that are not going to be used or needed with the Nest Thermostat. Those unused wires are the ones connected to S1 and S2.  Now then, is your HVAC system a HEAT PUMP or do you have Forced Air Gas Furnace with an Air Conditioner?

The AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

Gas forced air with A/C

CoolingWizard
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Thank you for rapid response.  You can use any nest thermostat to solve your problem. If you want advance, features like auto schedule creation, touch screen control and more advanced features etc, go with a nest learning thermostat. The jumper wire on your old thermostat between R and RC will not be needed. 

Your Wires In use are as follows:

R/Rc - Red Wire (Power 24 VAC)

W/W1 - White (Furnace Relay)

Y/Y1 - Yellow Wire (Cooling Relay)

G - Green Wire (Fan Relay)

C - Blue Wire (Power 24VAC Common)

The wires connected S1 and S2 will not be needed by a Nest Thermostat.

 

The AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

hkies
Community Member

Thanks got the thermostat up and running this morning with your help.  Thanks Again.

zoeuvre
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi hkies, 

 

I'm glad to hear that that everything has been sorted out. 

 

In the meantime, I'll go ahead and lock this thread within 24 hours. If you run into any more questions in the future, please feel free to create a new thread.

 

All thanks for your help here, @CoolingWizard.

 

Cheers,

Zoe 

hkies
Community Member

Would not charge the batteries so not set up right.

CoolingWizard
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Please post a picture of your nest backplate showing the wires you installed. 

AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

hkies
Community Member

I had to re-install my old thermostat so I could heat the house but this is the way I had wired the Nest.

Left side: Y to Yellow;  C to Blue;  W to White

Right Side: G to Green;  R to Red;  OB - Nothing

CoolingWizard
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When you initially installed and completed the installation of your Nest Thermostat, did you perform the power test? Did you verify the nest recognized the wires were attached; especially the R and the C? Did you set the equipment up properly? Gas, Forced Air. Your system is a conventional HVAC a system, a Gas Furnace and an Air Conditioner. It does not get any easier then that. 

AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

The literature that came with unit has none of this information. Neither does the install manual I found online for Nest E Thermostat nor does the Phone App. Set up as Gas Forced Air.

So how do you run the Power test?? 

Thermostat seemed to recognize the wires (They were tight) as I was able to set up schedule routines and the heat worked.  Problem was in less than 24 hours the batteries ran down.

hkies
Community Member

I did run all tests that were in the Google Home App

CoolingWizard
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The nest learning thermostat, and the nest E learning thermostat both do not come from the factory fully charged. Now they need to be charged by the combination of a R wire and a C wire. If you do not have a C wire, it will try to charge by going through an alternative path through either the Y wire or the W wire. As of the system is not operated it could charge this way over the course of 24 hours. 

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hkies
Community Member

Don't know what to say to that.  The batteries were not low when thermostat was turned on at ~10am on Day 1 and system passed all setup tests in the App.  Next morning ~ 7am there was a low battery warning and furnace did not seem to be responding to thermostat. So, to heat the house I reinstalled my old honeywell thermostat and heated the house.

Not sure I trust the nest anymore and have not as yet reinstalled it.  Thoughts?

CoolingWizard
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@hkies , let me see if I can possibly help you understand why you might be having problems charging with your particular HVAC equipment. Newer HVAC control systems utilize a more sophisticated, electronic control board as opposed to the more original analog type control systems. In the more conventional analog time systems, the various relays in electrical contractors that are providing power to the equipment have an electrical coil in on that creates a magnetic field that will engage the relay or the contactor turning it on. One side of that coal is connected to the common of the transformer, and the other side is connected to the wire coming from the thermostat. Now the thermostat takes the power coming in for the transformer on the R wire, and connect it to say the Y wire to start cooling. That 24 V travels down the Y wire and goes to the compressors contactor, causing it to engage the contacts and start the compressor. Nowh in this type of the system that electrical coil in the contactor is a path that through the Y wire, when it’s not being energize for cooling, is it path to the common that a very low current draw can be used and charge up the battery by the nest. It doesn’t draw so much current as it caused a coil to engage. 

And newer, modern digital control systems that coiled no longer exists. In fact, it’s the control board that actually controls those relays and contactors now and all it’s doing is looking for the incoming power coming on. The thermostat wire does signal that something is needed. That is most likely your situation and that’s why you need a Nest power adapter in order to get the common power you need. 

If you have a common wire, this problem goes away. By bringing the transformer, common straight to the thermostat, maximum powers available between R and C to charge and maintain the battery of your nest thermostat.

I hope this helps to clarify your question and my answer.

The AC Cooling Wizard

Google Pro, Mechanical Engineer and HVAC service company owner.

Hi folks,
 

Thanks for reaching out. I hope you get the answer you're looking for. For additional reference, you can visit this support article.
 

I appreciate your help, Zoe and @CoolingWizard.
 

Best,

Jenelyn

Jake
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hey hkies,

 

I wanted to check in and see if you are still in need of any help. Please let me know, as I would be happy to assist, and answer any questions you may have.

Best regards,
Jake

hkies
Community Member

I have reinstalled Nest thermostat this morning and so far so good - if I run into power issues again I have a power connector available to install on the furnace.

zoeuvre
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi hkies,

 

Happy to hear that! It looks like we can consider this one complete, so I will be locking this in 24 hours if we won't hear back from you again. Feel free to start a new thread and we'll be happy to help.

 

All the best, 

Zoe

hkies
Community Member

After 32 hours I have not got another low battery alert.  Are the white AAA Batteries that come with Nest recharable?

Jenelyn_O
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hi there,

 

That's good to hear! The AAA Batteries are not rechargeable, but it's replaceable. Please let us know if you still have any questions or concerns. Otherwise, I'll be locking this thread after 24 hours.

 

I appreciate your help, Jake and Zoe.

 

Thanks,

Jenelyn