06-09-2022 07:54 PM
My Nest thermostat is paired with a Nest remote temperature sensor. This is used to ensure comfortable temperatures in a regularly occupied space in our home. This past winter, I had noticed that the Nest thermostat did not call for heat until a temperature differential of between 1.0 and 1.5 degrees C lower than the temperature setpoint was displayed by the thermostat. With this information available, I confirmed with a Google Nest Thermostat support person that when the thermostat is set to work in degrees Celsius, the Nest thermostat only calls for Heat or Cool when there is at least a 1.0 degree temperature differential sensed. I asked if this was the same temperature differential for Nest thermostats set to work in degrees Fahrenheit. The answer was No! The temperature differential was only 0.5 degrees Fahrenheit. A temperature change of 1.0 degree Celsius converts to a temperature change of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit. It appears that when the Nest thermostats operate in Celsius mode, they are more than 3 times less sensitive to temperature changes. Why does this operational discrepancy exist between Nest thermostats configured for operating in Celsius vs Fahrenheit mode? Will this be considered in a future firmware upgrade? If Yes, great! If No, why not???
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06-19-2022 04:43 PM
I was reflecting on the comment regarding the ‘1 degree maintenance band’ operating philosophy of the Nest thermostat. In most circumstances, there are significant operational benefits of the digital design and features of the smart thermostats compared to the simple switching design of a mechanical thermostat. However, the ‘maintenance band’ of the mechanical thermostat does not change when just the indicator scale of the thermostat changes. The one degree maintenance band of the Nest thermostat operating in Celsius mode delays the onset of heating or cooling by the equivalent of an extra 0.8 degrees Fahrenheit because of how the firmware is designed. In my circumstance - using a Nest Remote Temperature Sensor in a usually occupied area of the home - the maintenance band is not just the one degree differential, it is also affected by the time interval between sequential temperature readings from the remote sensor. This past winter in extremely cold weather, I had noticed the occasional circumstance where the remote sensor monitoring the heat loss of my home was not sensing a sufficient temperature loss to trigger the furnace to turn on at one temperature update. By the time the remote sensor transmitted the next temperature update, the temperature loss at the remote sensor had increased by another 0.5 degrees Celsius, which effectively increased the Maintenance Band to almost 1.5 degrees Celsius ( or about 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). To compensate for the increased heat loss, I had to increase the Nest thermostat comfort setting by 1.0 degrees Celsius during the colder weather. I appreciate the opportunity in this forum to express my concern about the Nest thermostat system. I will continue to operate my Nest system in Celsius mode because it is now familiar to me, and an operational change to Fahrenheit mode will be harder to explain to my life partner. If I tried to explain it, my handle would need to change to NotEnufFreeTime.
06-28-2022 09:20 AM
Yes, reply received. Thank you. - TMFT
06-13-2022 02:47 PM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
Thanks for reaching out. It's possible that this is because your Nest thermostat screen and in the app is rounded to the nearest 1°F (0.5°C). Your thermostat uses the unrounded temperature to determine when to turn on your system. You can click on this link to learn more about this.
Thanks,
Edward
06-13-2022 03:54 PM
Thanks for this observation, but I do not accept this as a solution to my concern. My observed 1.0 degree Celsius difference before the Nest thermostat calls for heat or cool is still 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, which is almost double the normal response for the same thermostat model operating in Fahrenheit mode.
06-14-2022 09:39 AM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
Thanks for the response. This also could be because the maintenance band of the Nest Thermostat is 1 degree regardless if your Nest Thermostat is set to C or F. We appreciate people who are keen on sharing with us their thoughts. We're always looking for ways to improve and we'll take this as feedback.
Thanks,
Edward
06-19-2022 02:26 PM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
It's me again. I wanted to check back in to see if you have other questions and concerns. Feel free to let me know if you do.
Thanks,
Edward
06-19-2022 04:43 PM
I was reflecting on the comment regarding the ‘1 degree maintenance band’ operating philosophy of the Nest thermostat. In most circumstances, there are significant operational benefits of the digital design and features of the smart thermostats compared to the simple switching design of a mechanical thermostat. However, the ‘maintenance band’ of the mechanical thermostat does not change when just the indicator scale of the thermostat changes. The one degree maintenance band of the Nest thermostat operating in Celsius mode delays the onset of heating or cooling by the equivalent of an extra 0.8 degrees Fahrenheit because of how the firmware is designed. In my circumstance - using a Nest Remote Temperature Sensor in a usually occupied area of the home - the maintenance band is not just the one degree differential, it is also affected by the time interval between sequential temperature readings from the remote sensor. This past winter in extremely cold weather, I had noticed the occasional circumstance where the remote sensor monitoring the heat loss of my home was not sensing a sufficient temperature loss to trigger the furnace to turn on at one temperature update. By the time the remote sensor transmitted the next temperature update, the temperature loss at the remote sensor had increased by another 0.5 degrees Celsius, which effectively increased the Maintenance Band to almost 1.5 degrees Celsius ( or about 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). To compensate for the increased heat loss, I had to increase the Nest thermostat comfort setting by 1.0 degrees Celsius during the colder weather. I appreciate the opportunity in this forum to express my concern about the Nest thermostat system. I will continue to operate my Nest system in Celsius mode because it is now familiar to me, and an operational change to Fahrenheit mode will be harder to explain to my life partner. If I tried to explain it, my handle would need to change to NotEnufFreeTime.
06-20-2022 11:55 AM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
Thanks for taking the time to let us know about what's happening. Our team is always looking for ways to improve and we we appreciate your honest feedback. Don't hesitate to reach our to us whenever you have questions.
Thanks,
Edward
06-24-2022 11:29 PM
Hey TooMuchFreeTime,
Appreciate the help, Edward. As we got our resolution here, I'm going to mark this one as resolved. Please feel free to open up a new thread if you need assistance.
Thanks,
Archie
06-27-2022 04:06 PM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
Just checking in to make sure that you've seen our response. Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns as I will be locking this in 24 hours.
Thanks,
Edward
06-28-2022 09:20 AM
Yes, reply received. Thank you. - TMFT
06-28-2022 09:46 AM
Hi TooMuchFreeTime,
Thanks for letting us know. I will be locking this thread now. Please feel free to create a new thread should you have some more questions or concerns in the near future and we'll be more than glad to help.
Thanks,
Edward