09-14-2022 04:12 AM
Are there any smart vents systems that the Nest can control?
(IF YOU HAVE THIS QUESTION AS WELL, please up-vote it so Google knows this is a desired feature.)
Context for my question:
My home's central air is configured with 2 zones for the whole house, with three floors, big windows and four strong seasons it makes the basement a pain. Essentially- there’s always a disconnect in temperatures going into the basement.
if there’s not a good product now, is there plans or suggestions?
09-14-2022 06:10 AM
MSO,
The short answer is that is the HVAC system that controls the zone dampers, not the thermostat.
Your question and situation are not unique. The solution for this situation is not a simple one either. The HVAC system has to be engineered to provide the cooling and heating capacity for the environment it is to support. An important element is air flow volume. For each ton of cooling capacity, your system needs to move 400 cubic feet of air at a velocity of 700 to 900 feet per minute.
Why do I state this, your current system might not have the capacity to condition the basement along with the other floors. Often to accomplish this wish with some degree of acceptably, a separate smaller system would be engineered for the the basement of a home.
The best approach would be to use a Variable Refrigerant Flow (VRF) system like they use on commercial buildings. Sadly a VRF system is very expensive but it’s strength is it can deal in changes heating or cooling demand and maintains the most efficient capacity possible.
09-20-2022 09:32 AM
Hey there Mso,
I'm just checking up on this thread, did you have any more questions or need any additional help?
Thank you for helping out on this thread, CoolingWizard!
Best regards,
Jeran
09-23-2022 10:44 AM
Hey there Mso,
Did you have any more questions or need any additional help?
Thank you,
Jeran
09-23-2022 12:12 PM
It really hasn’t been answered…
09-27-2022 10:56 AM
Hiya Mso,
CoolingWizard gave a pretty detailed answer regarding your situation, I thought. If you'd like, here is an article regarding using the Nest Thermostat with a zoned system that has information about different zoned setups.
I look forward to your response, and let me know if you had any more questions or concerns.
Best regards,
Jeran
10-04-2022 10:08 AM
MSO, Your question was indeed answered however perhaps I need to better explain your situation. Basically an HVAC system is designed to Cool and Heat using specific guidelines published in the industry. In your case, there was decision made to not use a separate systems for the basement versus the other two floors. As a result, the total airflow volume is split between all three floors. In order to be most efficient, the engineered air flow must be maintained. That is 400 cubic feet of air must pass though the system for each 12,000 BTUs (1 ton) of capacity. Basements tend to be partially or fully below the ground and where the conditioned space is always different than the top floor for example. It is typically proposed to have a separate system to condition one of the three spaces. The majority of homeowners reject this approach since it tends to be more expensive. So they settle for a lees than optimum design that uses a slightly larger system to condition all three floors. The result, the top floor tends be warmer in the summer, and the basement tenses to be colder in the winter.
Since it is essential for the system to operate efficiently, you should not close the top floor vents in favor of more air in the basement and vice versa. This approach reduces the air flow and leads to much higher energy consumption. There are HVAC systems that operate on two or three stages to vary the capacity of the heating or cooling. These systems are more expensive and do use zone controllers to open and close different conditioned spaces using separate temperature controls in each of the zones. Basically, it varies the air and refrigerant flow.
The concept of creating “smart vents” is not exactly a bad idea, but the system would need to be smart enough to understand the entire HVAC system. Since we know that we need a low (0.3 to 0.5) total static pressure, the “smart vent” system would need to be able to calculate the total volume needed and maintain enough open vents at any specific time to achieve the designed efficiency of air flow. This fact would make that “smart vent” system very expensive and thus not consumer desirable. Additionally, the HAVC would need to be designed in such a way to accommodate the Smart Vents.
Frankly, the HVAC industry already achieves this ability with engineered Variable Refrigerant Flow systems with distributed air flow controls. These systems are very expensive and are typically used in commercial applications for office buildings to achieve the significant energy savings required by federal government regulations.
I hope this more detailed explanation helps you to understand the engineering that would be required to achieve what you feel would give you individually controlled smart vents and why it is not feasible.
10-04-2022 08:51 AM
Hey there Mso,
I'm just checking up on this thread again, did you need any additional help?
Thank you,
Jeran
10-07-2022 10:51 AM - edited 10-07-2022 10:51 AM
Hey there Mso,
I'm just checking up on this thread again, do you have any more questions?
Thank you for helping again, CoolingWizard!
Best regards,
Jeran
10-12-2022 08:10 AM
Hey there Mso,
Do you have any more questions or need any additional help?
Thank you,
Jeran
10-13-2022 08:20 AM
Hey Mso,
Do you have any more questions that we can address? If not, I'll go ahead and lock up this thread in 24 hours.
Just checking up,
Jeran