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HW T6 Pro to Gen 3 Nest

Jimmytech
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Hello. I have a heat pump with emergency heat. The Honeywell is wired with R and a slider that jumpers it with Rc, Y, C, O/B, G, W2/Aux (Orange) and E (Black). This system has two (upstairs/downstairs) thermostats of the same type and wired exactly the same. From what I understand, if one calls for cooling/heat and the second one also requests later , the system allows the first to run for X amount of time or until it’s satisfied and then switches control to the other stat.  How do I wire a Nest with R/Y/C/OB/G?  Thanks for your time!

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CoolingWizard
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First of all, no residential HVAC system is designed to be controlled by two separate thermostats.  If, as you say , the two thermostats that are linked or otherwise talking to each other, that is a feature of a T6 I have never seen. To be sure, I pulled out my Honeywell contractor books and double checked the ISU and found not such feature.

Now,  if you have zone controller then in that case 1, 2, or 3 separate thermostats can be connected to a typical zone controller.  In that case the zone controller is controlling HVAC equipment. Do you have a Zone controller?  

At any rate, just install the Nest thermostat connecting the wires to the same labeled terminals.  here is a link to the Nest compatibility checker.  

https://store.google.com/us/widget/compatibility/thermostat

Ken, The AC Cooling Wizard

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Thanks for the response Ken.  I took a look and that there is an April air zone controller.  I have more wires than I have connections from the old to the new.  What do I delete from the T6 wiring to make the Nest happy?

CoolingWizard
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The Nest Learning Thermostat can handle your setup and will support your Heat Pump, Auxiliary Heating and your Emergency heating.  I assume you have a gas finance as auxiliary heating? 

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No, the emergency heat is electric coils.  I wish that we had the option of NG. 

CoolingWizard
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If the emergency heat is electric resistive heating coils, what is your Auxiliary heat then?

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Jimmytech
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That’s a good question….I can talk NG/LP forced air furnaces with a good bit of intelligence.  Heat pumps and multi zones I’m completely ignorant on.  So here is what I was told by the builder. If the HP isn’t keeping up with demand, it will activate the coils to assist it, but only in those situations does it use them.  The emergency is for just that. If the outdoor condenser freezes up, you turn it on manually and it becomes the primary source of very expensive heat.  The builder isn’t an HVAC guy, but he’s the only source of information I have at the moment. Our neighborhood is all electric.  There is no other dual fuel source, so it stands to reason what he is say is logical. 

CoolingWizard
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Please Allow me to spend a few moments explaining heat pump operation.  The heat pump is basically a compressor in which the refrigerant can change directions. In a traditional air conditioner, you have a compressor outside an outdoor condensing coil, and an indoor evaporator coil. The condenser coil takes the hot compressed  gas and condenses it into a liquid refrigerant and sends it to the indoor coil and the indoor coil boils off that refrigerant and makes cold air. Now with a heat pump, we simply call it indoor coil an outdoor coil because the outdoor unit has a reversing valve inside of it that changes the refrigerant flow so it makes either coil be either a condenser or an evaporator.

Now you have an orange wire on O/B and that’s the wire that controls that reversing valve. Some systems the reversing valve when not energized will be in cooling mode, and some systems when the valve is not energized, default to heating mode.  Now on a heat pump, there is a defrost control board on the outdoor unit with a temperature sensor on the coil to detect when ice is building up. So when the heat pump is in heating mode, the outdoor coil is where we reject the cold air. Therefore it tends to ice up. The defrost board will detect the ice and have the heat pump reversing valve switch so to take the heat from inside the house and put it in the outdoor coil to melt the ice.  When that happens, the heat pump will typically tell the indoor unit to either turn the blower off, or it will activate auxiliary heat to heat the air.  

out sometimes contractors will wire the emergency heat to the auxiliary heat strips. The reason for this is that if the heat pump fails during the winter, the thermostat could turn on emergency heat and that will make the heating coils come on and the blower stay on and not energize the outdoor unit.  I would have to see how your indoor unit is wired to see if they’ve put both the auxiliary and the emergency heat on the same connector. Normally, when you have a auxiliary and emergency heat, you would have a gas or oil burner on the indoor unit, with electric heat strips has a emergency back up. It does not have to be done that way, but when it is done, that way is called a dual fuel system. The heat pump is is one fuel, electricity, basically, and then the gas furnace or oil. Furnace is the second fuel tight. 

I hope this explains a little bit about how a heat pump operates for you. In order to use multiple stage heating by the way, you have to use a nest learning thermostat. The basic nest thermostat cannot support multiple heating modes. 

Ken, The AC Cooling Wizard

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Hello folks,

 

I wanted to ensure that everything was covered here.


You're a big help here, Ken. Thanks!

 

@Jimmytech, I hope you've got the answer you're looking for. If you're still in need of assistance, feel free to let us know.

 

Regards,

Mark

I still owe Ken a picture of the wiring to complete my install. I agree, he is a great source of knowledge!

Markjosephp
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Hi Jimmytech,

 

Indeed! Also, we would appreciate it if you could share a photo of the wiring and how the installation goes, as we would be glad to know the result.

 

Regards,

Mark

Hello there,

 

I wanted to see if you still needed help. Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Thanks,

Mark

Jimmytech
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I’m not sure if this will help the question or make it more confusing, but here are pictures of the Aprilaire controller and the labeling as they come into the back of it.  Thank you all again for your help!  

Markjosephp
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Hi Jimmytech,

 

I appreciate your efforts. Unfortunately, the photos weren't attached. Could you give it another try to send a photo? Also, have you tried installing a Nest Learning Thermostat?

 

Regards,

Mark

EdwardT
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Hi folks,

 

I wanted to follow up and see if you are still in need of any help. Please let me know if you are still having any trouble from here, as I would be happy to take a closer look and assist you further.

 

Thanks,

Edward

EdwardT
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Hi folks,

 

It's me again. I wanted to check back in to see if you have other questions and concerns. Feel free to let me know if you do. 

 

Thanks,

Edward

 

EmersonB
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Hello everyone,

@Jimmytech just one quick final check in here since activity has slowed down. We'll be locking the thread in the next 24 hours, but if you still need help, I would be happy to keep it open. If there's more we can do, just let me know.

I appreciate the help, Ken, Mark and Edward

Regards,
Emerson

CoolingWizard
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Jimmytech,

Your two thermostats are talking to the Aprilare zone controller. You will simply Install the Nest Learning Thermostat, Identify your system as a Heat Pump, having Auxiliary Heating and Emergency heating.  Your wires being used are R,C,G,Y,E,Aux, and O/B. You might need to verify the programming of your old thermostat to see if it energizes the O/B wire for heating or cooling. 

Ken, The AC Cooling Wizard

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Jimmytech
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My apologies all.  I thought the photos were added to my last post.  I’m not sure how to post multiple pictures to the post. 

Jimmytech
Community Member

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Main controller 

I can’t get the picture of the panel front to upload.  It’s an Aprilaire 6403 zone controller 

Jimmytech
Community Member

It appears that the photos aren’t showing for some reason.  I uploaded them to Dropbox to hopefully be able to get this resolved.  Please let me know if you have any other questions.  Thank you for all your help

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fxms2pjukls5f10/AAB3oHvM9M5IehYNtgYb1JWga?dl=0

Jimmytech
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@CoolingWizard  The black and white wires were terminated together in the zone controller.  Doing as you recommended worked like a charm!  Thanks so much for everyones input. 

Jenelyn_O
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Hi there,

 

@Jimmytech, I'm glad to hear that the issue seems resolved. I just want to check if you still have any questions or concerns, otherwise I'll be locking this thread after 24 hours. 

 

Thanks for assisting this thread Emerson, Edward, @CoolingWizard and Mark.

 

Best,

Jenelyn