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adding 24Volt power to nest thermostat

robertito
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I have installed a new nest instead of an old thermostat that has no power... (it's controlling baseboard heating).

(I have 2 other Nest working  in my house controlling the HVAC). 

the wires that I have are R and W....

So I connected them to the nest....everything was working, except....the battery did not charge, and I got an error message of no power.

I was told to by a 24V transformer.

to what terminals do I connect the 2 wires coming from the Transformer.  1 I assume goes to the C .

what about the other.....

 

Please advise.

 

 

 

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CoolingWizard
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The two wires of the typical HVAC 40VA transformer go to R and C.

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thanks for you advise.

My Nest Thermostat has 6 terminals. just one is labeled R.

and the only wires from the furnace to my old thermostat are R and W.  that's all.

so when I connect the 2 wires to the Nest, and 1 lead from the 24V adapter to C and the other to the same R as the furnace.... I get heating control.... but the rechargeable battery is not getting power.... as drains, very fast.

My furnace has 4 zones under its control.  two of them HVAC that are control with 2 Nest Units.

and 2 zone in the basement that only provide heat via baseboards. and one of those is the one I'm trying to control with NEST...

 

 

 

CoolingWizard
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I will need more information about your system to help you most. You say you have 4 zones and two thermostats. A proper set up would be a zone controlling thermostat for each zone. I also need to know the make and model number of your zone controller.  There are many different brands and models of zone controllers with different features and capabilities.  Most have a primary thermostat connected to Zone 1.  This thermostat overrides others and is the primary controlling thermostat for the HVAC equipment.  Additionally it would help me a lot if you can get me the model number for the Indoor Air Handler/Furnace.  This will allow me to look up the manuals and understand the heating cycle and controls schematic. 

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the 2 zone with HVAC are YORK

The furnace is WEILL

and the 2 zones in the basement are independent... the have their own circulator. and the have 2 lead wires going to their respective dumb thermostats.

CoolingWizard
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The York you stated, is that and indoor forced air Furnace?

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Yes... I sent you pictures

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robertito
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Any ideas where to connect a Google Nest C wire adapter????

CoolingWizard
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Roberto, I took your picture and added some edits on to it. This is the best I could be doing at this time.  You need to determine which red wire on the transformer goes to your thermostat first of all.

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when I do... where do I connect the C wire adapter.

i disconnect the 2 leads doing to the thermostat, and connect the Google Adapter (W and R) between them.

where do I get the C from? any transformer? just one lead?

 

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CoolingWizard
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We must connect a common to the transformer that’s directly connected to your thermostat. That’s why I said we need to figure out which of those transformers your thermostat is wired to. The transformer will have two wires coming in, that’s supplying the 120V AC power and the two wires coming off of the 24V AC going to your thermostat. The Red wire will be connected to one of those two, and it doesn’t matter which one it is, and the common will be the only other one on the output side. 


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If we logically think about your boiler, any one of the zones can put a call in for heat. Now the thermostats are typically wired primarily to the zone valve or the zone valve control, but when it does, it Hass to also be able to tell the boiler  to turn on. In other words, if we need more hot water, the boiler has to be told to turn on and heat up the water. Otherwise it’s inefficient if the boiler is turned on and just left on all the time like a water heater for your house bath water. And we certainly don’t want the boiler to be making hot water for the heating system in the summertime. For this reason, we have some type of a boiler control system, and that boiler control system is single by one of the the thermostats. A more complex control system can’t be designed so that any thermostat connected to a zone area can also turn on the boiler. And the earlier days of life, each winter the owner would have to go down and turn on and light up the boiler. And a border with basically run all winter long, and when he was no longer going to be needed, would go down and turn off the boiler for the spring and summer time. This is very energy inefficient.

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the thermostats are normally wired directly to the pump motor relays.  Inside for example of that TACO 501, there is a step down transformer, including two terminals labeled “T” one will have the R wire to the thermostat and the other one will have the W wire going to the thermostat. There is also a common inside there that can be attached to it. Also, inside these controllers are separate connections. It go over to the boiler Ignition control system. This is how we can coordinate that any zone turning on can turn on the boiler.

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This part you might recognize, it is located below the RED shut off switch. Commonly this is called a Honeywell Fan Controller.  In reality it is simply and transformer and control board all in one. Here you can see the R and C terminals and the W G and Y terminals. I enjoy educating consumers, however, if this is proving to be overwhelming, just tell me to stop. - The AC Cooling Wizard

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Amazing

I do.... see it clearly.  

Markjosephp
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Hello folks,

 

I wanted to ensure that everything was covered here.

 

Thanks for all the help here, @CoolingWizard.

 

@robertito, I hope you've got the answer you're looking for. If you're still in need of assistance, feel free to let us know.

 

Regards,

Mark

I gave up.  
The transformers I see are vey old.  
with soldered contacts. 
and one of them has only   2 leads.  
And the system is so complicated.  That opted out.  And put a new dumb thermostat.  
thank you for all the advice

👏👏👏👏

Markjosephp
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Hi robertito,

 

I understand that this step is a little out of the way, but it's a great start to ensure that your thermostat is receiving enough power. If we can change your mind, here's how you can locate technicians in your area that can help you with Google Nest products. Note: The cost of the visit would be your responsibility, so it is important that you deal with a qualified professional who works with Nest products.

 

To request an installation or fix installation issues, contact Ontech.

 

Regards,

Mark

CoolingWizard
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Roberto,

I am so sorry that this proved to be too complicated and I hope that I didn’t contribute to the complication. I can add this, the thermostat you have are wired to the pump control boxes down at the bottom. The master main transformer is the one on the right as you face it, just below the red switch box. That controller is what turns on the furnace. Those are the red wires you see, leaving and going into the furnace cabinet. This is the main one. The second transformer provides power for either the number 2 or three pump controller or just the number 3 pump controller.  What you are specifically looking for is where the thermostat cables go into the boxes and figure out which cable goes to which thermostat. Inside those pump control boxes are a simple TT connection. Those two wires are connected to each other, such as a thermostat, R and W, that turns on the system. If you notice the R connector has a wire that runs up to the Honeywell temperature sensor, and a wire returning to the W terminal on the Honeywell fan controller. This is also where one of your thermostat white wire (W) is terminated at. I am betting that this is the master thermostat of the system. I would recommend you attempt to locate an HVAC company in your area which has technicians that know how to program and set up a nest thermostat. They will know your system and how it operates and they will know how to get you the R,W,C you will need. I wish you the best and I’m sorry I could not have been able to help you solve this need. 

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I thank you from the bottom of my  "I can fix everything" heart.

but the way the electronics and controls of my furnace are assembled....is beyond me.

I built my own computers.... I built my our road bikes.... I fix any logically assembled gadget......... but looking at the furnace.... it's beyond me....

 

zoeuvre
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Hello folks,

 

I'm chiming in to ensure everything was covered here.

 

Thanks for lending a hand here, @CoolingWizard and Mark.

 

@robertito, I wanted to ensure you were good to go. Please let us know if you are still having any trouble from here, as we would be happy to take a closer look and assist you further.

 

Best,

Zoe

zoeuvre
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Hey there,

 

Before I mark things as resolved, I wanted to check and see if there might be anything else you needed on this or to see if you had any other questions. If there's more you need, just let us know.

 

Thanks,

Zoe

Unfortunately I was not able to identify the required connection for the Google Common adapter... I had to abandon the NEST in favor of a stupid thermostat (with no Wifi access).

 

zoeuvre
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Hello robertito,

 

We're sad to see you go. We hope we can make it up to you in the future. We're always here to help if you ever change your mind.
 

In the meantime, I'll go ahead and lock this thread within 24 hours. If you run into any more questions in the future, please feel free to create a new thread.


Regards,

Zoe